2022-11-28 10:22:02	doug	what's the canonical way to write markdown and have it show up as HTML (and have it all done in the same HTML page)?
2022-11-28 10:22:34	doug	i'm thinking hidden div w/markdown, CDN link to a markdown converter, and a tiny inline script to feed the first into the second.
2022-11-28 10:28:17	spinningCat	does it work for you https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/markdown2html.1.html
2022-11-28 10:34:05	doug	hm, is that a hidden div or a CDN link or a tiny inline script?
2022-11-28 10:36:00	GothAlice	I'm seeing BEM in there, and that's making me sad. BEM italic tags for icons.
2022-11-28 10:36:03	 *	GothAlice is in despair.
2022-11-28 10:38:20	GothAlice	<form…>…<button type="reset" class="p-search-box__reset" alt="reset"><i class="p-icon--close"></i></button> → <form id=search>…<button type=reset>Reset Form</button> with #search [type=reset] { @include .icon("close"); } — and yer' done, with accessibility (readable label), and absolutely no presentation in the HTML of any kind. The functional attribute is used for selection.
2022-11-28 10:38:49	GothAlice	spinningCat: ^
2022-11-28 10:39:40	spinningCat	yo
2022-11-28 10:39:44	GothAlice	dawg
2022-11-28 10:39:50	GothAlice	😄
2022-11-28 10:40:03	spinningCat	what does dawg mean?
2022-11-28 10:40:33	spinningCat	doug,  it seems you can install on linux
2022-11-28 10:40:39	spinningCat	it has a man page
2022-11-28 10:40:56	GothAlice	"Sup dawg", as in dog, a familial way for people from the same neighbourhood ("hood") to refer to each-other. I'm being a bit cultural appropriation'y, but I grew up with interesting folks.
2022-11-28 10:41:01	GetShwifty	lol
2022-11-28 10:41:12	spinningCat	I see
2022-11-28 10:41:41	spinningCat	i think Bugs Bunny say something like
2022-11-28 10:41:49	spinningCat	said smt like whatsap dawg or doc
2022-11-28 10:41:52	spinningCat	not sure
2022-11-28 10:42:12	GetShwifty	eh, what's up doc?
2022-11-28 10:42:19	GetShwifty	*munches on carrot*
2022-11-28 10:42:48	spinningCat	is it doc?
2022-11-28 10:42:57	GothAlice	My best friend for the longest time was a first-generation Canadian of Canadian/Indian descent who thought (didn't really, but outwardly portrayed that) he was a black gangster. Never to an exaggerated degree; it was oddly hilarious at times. "What's up doc?" Is the cleaned up for white audiences variant. 😜
2022-11-28 10:43:03	spinningCat	but Elmer Food was not a doc or Yoshemity Sam
2022-11-28 10:43:09	GetShwifty	lmao
2022-11-28 10:43:30	spinningCat	I see
2022-11-28 10:43:56	GetShwifty	you know as a kid i never questioned the origin/point of the phrase "eh, what's up doc"
2022-11-28 10:43:56	GetShwifty	lmao
2022-11-28 10:44:14	GothAlice	There's a lot of early cartoon history from some major players still around that… do not stand the test of time.
2022-11-28 10:44:27	GetShwifty	lol
2022-11-28 10:44:42	GetShwifty	it was funny going back and watching old school looney toons as an adult
2022-11-28 10:44:50	GetShwifty	and then like "omg that's.. so much innuendo or so much.."
2022-11-28 10:44:51	GetShwifty	lmao
2022-11-28 10:45:07	GetShwifty	and ya never saw it as a kid. you were too busy luaghing at .(something else taht was not innuendo) lmao
2022-11-28 10:45:58	GothAlice	Hey, make it zany and slapstick for the kids, but throw something in for the parents forced to sit through it with their kids, eh?
2022-11-28 10:46:29	GetShwifty	yup
2022-11-28 10:46:32	GetShwifty	secret to success
2022-11-28 10:46:33	GothAlice	There were reasons why I was not allowed to watch Ren & Stimpy, growing up. Too blatant… and frequent.
2022-11-28 10:46:37	GetShwifty	hahah
2022-11-28 10:46:47	GetShwifty	yeah i watched a few episodes of that
2022-11-28 10:46:51	GothAlice	Like, no, that's straight up not a children's cartoon. 🤪
2022-11-28 10:46:53	GetShwifty	and i was like yup, i can see why
2022-11-28 10:46:53	GetShwifty	lmao
2022-11-28 10:47:45	GothAlice	Despite the catchy songs. "What rolls down stairs, falls over in pairs, ran over the neighbour's dog…"
2022-11-28 10:47:49	GothAlice	It's log. It's always log.
2022-11-28 10:47:56	GothAlice	From Blame!
2022-11-28 10:48:02	GetShwifty	lol
2022-11-28 10:48:12	GothAlice	s/Blame/Blammo/ ugh damn you autocorrect!
2022-11-28 10:48:33	GothAlice	Forcing me to actually add that to my dictionary…
2022-11-28 10:48:34	 *	GothAlice grumbles.
2022-11-28 10:48:59	GetShwifty	my phone does not like my usage of the word "prolly" and a few others
2022-11-28 10:48:59	GetShwifty	lol
2022-11-28 10:49:50	GothAlice	I think I've trained mine fairly well that whatever comes after an apostrophe that has no prior text, should be 'given. ← a ha, not even a squiggle or suggestion. 'prolly ← it only wanted to capitalize it.
2022-11-28 10:52:38	GothAlice	Wow. Look it up, it even has an "American English" definition for it. So… it might know about that usage more explicitly than I thought.
2022-11-28 10:57:25	doug	i think i'm leaning toward this sort o thing: https://gist.github.com/dougluce/c890785429493b1c9288ca750b8f62be
2022-11-28 10:57:31	doug	nothing on the server side, please
2022-11-28 10:58:08	GothAlice	Interesting; I'm doing the exact opposite, but also not server-side. https://github.com/marrow/valsi#readme
2022-11-28 10:58:13	GothAlice	Ah, dang…
2022-11-28 10:58:30	GothAlice	Too many clipboards: https://github.com/marrow/valsi/blob/develop/Makefile?ts=4#L85-L105
2022-11-28 11:00:47	GothAlice	One of my local test suites for this is a local clone of https://grimoire.ca - this one takes a few seconds to finish. 😝
2022-11-28 11:12:26	doug	exact opposite? i think we might have differing definitions of "server-side"
2022-11-28 11:12:41	GetShwifty	lol
2022-11-28 11:13:07	doug	seems to me that running make is a server-side operation
2022-11-28 11:13:18	GetShwifty	that is a pre-deploy option generlly
2022-11-28 11:13:18	GetShwifty	so no
2022-11-28 11:13:21	GetShwifty	not server-side :p
2022-11-28 11:13:25	doug	as is running markdown.py
2022-11-28 11:13:29	GetShwifty	but it technically is not "clientside generated"
2022-11-28 11:13:29	GetShwifty	lol
2022-11-28 11:13:44	doug	by "server-side" i mean "not client-side"
2022-11-28 11:13:57	GetShwifty	server side technically
2022-11-28 11:14:02	GetShwifty	does not carry that definition in as such
2022-11-28 11:14:04	GetShwifty	that ..
2022-11-28 11:14:22	GetShwifty	it generally Refers to sutff generated by and served up by the server
2022-11-28 11:14:23	GetShwifty	:p
2022-11-28 11:14:24	doug	well maybe for your workflow
2022-11-28 11:14:44	doug	i'll just say "purely client-side" then
2022-11-28 11:15:46	GetShwifty	client side generated, on the fly, even though the markdown will be embedded in the html as static
2022-11-28 11:15:47	GetShwifty	lmao
2022-11-28 11:15:50	GetShwifty	got it!
2022-11-28 11:16:18	doug	yup, purely client-side
2022-11-28 11:16:47	GetShwifty	all this talk about client side generation has got me hungry
2022-11-28 11:30:09	GothAlice	GetShwifty: I think you grok why I've had ennui formulating a response. Unless you consider the development workstation "server-side", my Makefile option there happens on commit. You clone, make your changes to the Markdown source (or add new files, whatever), commit, and both the updated sources and rendered HTML are pushed. (As one possible usage scenario.)
2022-11-28 11:30:42	GothAlice	Sorry, missed a second attribution after the first sentence, there. doug: "Not client-side" is a poor definition for "server-side".
2022-11-28 11:33:10	doug	seems to me that it gets the point across for this particular situation
2022-11-28 11:33:22	GetShwifty	no it didnt ;p
2022-11-28 11:33:23	GetShwifty	lol
2022-11-28 11:33:35	GetShwifty	rawhtml is very client side
2022-11-28 11:33:36	GetShwifty	lmao
2022-11-28 11:34:45	GothAlice	I like to reduce the amount of work performed repeatedly. Because energy isn't free. Rendering at commit-time and pushing pre-rendered static pages for delivery seems a whole lot better. For all kinds of reasons. If your page has no content until JS rendered, it has no content.
2022-11-28 11:35:09	doug	seems it's been made clear that "not client-side" is more applicable than "server side" for what i'm talking about
2022-11-28 11:35:26	GetShwifty	not to anybody else participating in this conversation
2022-11-28 11:35:43	GetShwifty	if the only person in this conversation is "you" and you were perfectly clear on that, then that statement is fine
2022-11-28 11:37:29	doug	it was confusing when i said "nothing on the server side" as we have different idea of what that means. but saying i want stuff purely client-side made what i was going for more clear.
2022-11-28 11:38:04	GetShwifty	i believe i was the first person to rephrase your vague requirements
2022-11-28 11:38:16	GetShwifty	as "client side generated "
2022-11-28 11:38:36	GetShwifty	you simply said not server side and offered one potential ways of handling it and asked for more not server side suggestions
2022-11-28 11:39:17	doug	like i said, we were working from different definitions thereof
2022-11-28 11:39:17	 *	GothAlice raises a hand meekly.
2022-11-28 11:39:21	GothAlice	Which I tried to offer.
2022-11-28 11:39:21	GetShwifty	and thjen claimed everybody knew YOUR definnition of server side which is not a definiteion really shared by the rest of the world since static content is explciitly deemed "not server  side"
2022-11-28 11:39:33	GetShwifty	yes, which GothAlice tried to offer :P
2022-11-28 11:39:56	GetShwifty	now i'm hungry again!
2022-11-28 11:40:02	GothAlice	No server involved in a local render operation on commit. And dang it, GetShwifty, now I'm hungry.
2022-11-28 11:40:04	GothAlice
2022-11-28 11:40:19	 *	GothAlice gets some salad.
2022-11-28 11:40:25	GetShwifty	:P
2022-11-28 11:41:41	doug	not sure how "seems to me" morphs into a claim of global common knowledge
2022-11-28 11:42:08	GetShwifty	no
2022-11-28 11:42:19	GetShwifty	im saying that goth and my definition and we manage to align on the same definition, because
2022-11-28 11:42:27	GetShwifty	it more or less is the definition adopted by the world for the past 2+ decades
2022-11-28 11:42:33	GetShwifty	if you ask for a non-server side suggestion
2022-11-28 11:42:49	GetShwifty	you will quite often get a "static generated content" as  a result as that is as NON server side and as client side as it can get
2022-11-28 11:43:15	doug	ah ok, you're making the global claim. i thought you were saying i was claiming something about everyone...
2022-11-28 11:43:23	GetShwifty	i legit dont even nkow why we're still having this convo
2022-11-28 11:45:24	doug	eh, it's de rigueur for IRC
2022-11-28 11:46:09	GetShwifty	too true